The Gun-hating Left is always going on about how if you “just give them what they want” the bad guys will leave you alone. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Suspects in blue rubber gloves, surgical mask shoot Halifax gas station clerk.
The suspects took money and cigarettes and, while exiting the store, one of the suspects turned around and shot one of the employees.
Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are, or are not, doing.
Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. It is not a guarantee. Of course being armed in your own defense is also a strategy. One that is typically blocked by employers. But cooperation is in my estimation, not the best strategy, if that is all you are prepared to do.
Sept 4, 1987 – 31 years ago: A deadly night at the National Supermarket
The history in a nutshell.
Editor’s note: On the night of Sept. 4, 1987, two gunmen entered the National Supermarket store on Natural Bridge in north St. Louis. What followed would be the worst mass killing in the history of the St. Louis Police Department. This is the original report published in the Post-Dispatch.
The store was closed. The victims were employees. The gunmen probably got entrance by some ruse, perhaps posing as “floor cleaners.”
The victims were herded into a corner on the west side of the store, ordered to lie down in a row and were shot execution-style in the head, police said. The store aisles near the office contained pools of blood.
They probably got very little money for all this killing. The store’s money was in a safe that the employees couldn’t open.
Armed security may not have saved anyone. If surprise was total there might have been no chance to defend yourself or others. But cooperation did nothing to ensure anyone’s safety, because violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals due to anything you are doing or not doing. Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter; it is not a guarantee.
Cooperation with criminals is often touted as THE way to ensure your safety in a potentially violent situation. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Beaumont Police make first arrest from Valero Robbery that left clerk critically injured.
Three guys ambush a clerk in the parking lot of a business, force him back inside and demand money.
Once inside the store one of the suspects jumped the front counter and demanded money from the clerk. As the 3 suspects were fleeing the store, one of the suspects shot the store clerk. The clerk was transported to a local hospital where he is still listed in critical condition.
This guy had his money and was leaving the store, when he shot the clerk. Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Now a gun may not have saved this guy. Just like cooperation is not a guarantee, being armed in your own defense is not a guarantee. (“There are no guarantees in this life save for death and next winter’s snow.”) They are both strategies for dealing with a violent or potentially violent encounter. And since most businesses like their employees to be disarmed, this guy may not have had the option of being armed.
The point to remember is that cooperation will not ensure your safety. As a strategy, I think it lacks several key features. But YMMV.
The clerk was doing what he was asked to do, but the bad guy tried to shoot him anyway. Trigger sticks during armed robbery of Royal Farms.
As the suspect ordered the five patrons down on the floor, police said he struck one of them in the head with the handgun. He then pointed the gun directly at the clerk and demanded money from the store’s register.
DSP indicated that, while the employee was gathering the money, the suspect became agitated and pulled the handgun’s trigger. The weapon did not fire and, after eventually receiving an undisclosed amount of cash from the clerk, fled from the same set of doors in which he entered the store.
So this clerk wasn’t saved by cooperation; he was saved because of poor maintenance, or bad ammo, or blind luck. But not because he was doing what he was asked to do.
Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of any action on your part. You can cooperate. That’s a strategy. I think this incident indicates that it isn’t a very good strategy, but it may be your only option. Still, given that stuff like this happens on a regular basis – and often without the “luck” of a malfunctioning firearm in the mix – you might want to consider what other options you have.
The gun-hating Left is always going on about “If you give the bad guy what he wants, he will leave you alone‡”. I guess this guy didn’t get that memo. Clerk shot during Arlington gas station armed robbery.
The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office says the suspect walked in to the store off Arlington Road and the Arlington Expressway a little after 10:30AM. He allegedly demanded money from the employee, and even though police say the victim complied, the suspect shot the clerk in the torso and then fled.
Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because you are cooperating. They remain violent criminals independent of your actions.
Cooperation is a strategy. There are other strategies – like being armed in your own defense. I believe that some strategies are better than others.
Oh, and in 2018, we should have better quality security video. Just sayin’.
‡ regarding the crime of rape: Leftists never want to discuss rape when they bring up that “cooperate” strategy. Did I say never? I meant mostly, because some WILL advise cooperation with a rapist, which isn’t so much as stupid, as purely evil advice.
Just comply with the bad guys and they will leave you alone. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Clerk Shot, Killed At Mid-City Gas Station
Police say the man complied with the suspects’ demands but was shot anyway. The two suspects were described as men in their 20s. They were seen fleeing in a white four-door Chevrolet Malibu.
And great reporting CBS. Men in their 20s. Is that all the description you have? Height. Weight. Hair color. Anything?
Cooperation with violent criminals is a strategy for getting out of a bad situation in one piece. I happen to think it is not a very good strategy.
Of course being armed to defend yourself is also only a strategy, not a defense. There are no guarantees in this life…
Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing.
Just give the robber what he wants and you will be OK. I guess this guy didn’t get that memo. Police identify clerk shot during convenience store robbery
Investigators say the robber walked in demanding money. He took cash and some items from the store. Police say as he was leaving he fired one round that injured Foster in the arm.
So he had the money (ostensibly what he came for), but as he was leaving the store, he shot the clerk anyway.
Why? Because violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. (And that whole cooperation thing. The people who go on about that rarely want to talk about rape, but some will even maintain that attitude if the conversation veers toward rape.)
Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent criminal. It is not a guarantee. Being armed in your own self-defense is also a strategy; one that I believe is better. (You can always cooperate right up until the time you defend yourself.)