Isn’t Cooperation Supposed to Guarantee Safety?

I guess this guy didn’t get that memo. Clerk Shot in Tacoma Armed Robbery, Police Searching for Suspect.

“Just give them what they want.” It’s a statement made by people who hate the idea of self-defense or any individual action. There’s just one problem; giving violent criminals what they want doesn’t stop them from being violent criminals.

Police state that the male walked in wearing a mask and demanded money while armed with a semi-automatic handgun. He got the money but wanted more. While the clerk was opening the drawer to the till the suspect shot him because he was moving too slowly.

Cooperation didn’t guarantee anything. But then if this clerk had been armed for his own defense, he still would have not guarantees. There are no guarantees in this life. Cooperation is a strategy. I don’t happen to think it is a very good strategy.

Cooperating With Criminals Is No Guarantee

The Gun-hating Left loves to go on about how if you just give the bad guys what they want, you will be OK. 3 men charged with capital murder in shooting death of Houston store clerk. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo.

Investigators say several clerks were on duty when the masked suspects burst through the doors of the convenience store.

Even though Lee complied with the suspects’ demands, he was still shot multiple times, authorities say.

Violent criminals remain violent criminals regardless of what you do, or don’t do.

Being armed in your own defense is also not a guarantee. There are no guarantees in this life.

When the Left is preaching the benefits of cooperation they rarely want to talk about rape.

They Took The Money, Then Shot a 79-year-old Woman in the Back

We are constantly told by the gun-hating Left to just give the Bad Guys what they want, and they will leave us alone. These guys didn’t get that memo. Hunt for 79-year-old store owner’s killers continues.

“For someone to come in, do a robbery, take the money, just like they asked, and then shoot them in the back, there you go. At this point, we even have criminals out looking for them,” said Detective Ed Troyer, with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are doing, or not doing.

And neighbors were shocked to discover that they live and work in The Real World™ and not in some fantasy land.

“To come in here and blemish our neighborhood and feel our safety is threatened is really hard to believe,” Larry Chambers said.

Because they want to feel safe, even if they aren’t safe.

Cooperation With Violent Criminals Doesn’t Guarantee Safety

The gun-hating-Left is always going on about how if you just cooperate, the bad guys will leave you alone. (They never, ever want to talk about rape when that subject comes up.) Do you recognize the robber who pistol-whipped and shot a Midland-area clerk?.

Held at gunpoint, the clerk opened the cash register and the robber took fistfuls of cash.

He then shot the clerk, grabbed more money and ran.

He cooperated and he got shot anyway.

Now maybe there was nothing he could have done. Being armed in your own self-defense is also not a guarantee. “There are no guarantees in this life save for death and next winter’s snow.” But meekly cooperating didn’t do much.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing.

He Was Shot While Handing Over the Money

We are constantly told by the gun-hating-Left that if we just “give them what they want” we will be safe. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Milwaukee store clerk shot during armed robbery.

Clerk was shot in the legs while handing money to the gunman

They shot him once before they said anything. Then as he was cooperating with them, they shot him again.

Cooperation in the face of a violent encounter is a strategy, not the guarantee that the Left loves to say it is. Now in this case, a gun for self-defense may not have saved this guy, who is recuperating from his injuries. Being armed in your own defense is also a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. But they are strategies, not guarantees. There are no guarantees in this life save for death and next winter’s snow.

She Gave Them What They Wanted, Then They Shot Her

We are constantly told, “Just give them what they want, and they will leave you alone.” Too bad it isn’t true. Lewisville store clerk killed during robbery.

The store’s manager said two men in blue hoodies came into the store and demanded money. The clerk, 51-year-old Ashraf Lakhani, gave them cash from the register, but they still shot her.

Violent criminals don’t stop being violent criminals based on anything you are doing or not doing. Cooperation is a strategy. As this case so tragically highlights, it isn’t a particularly good strategy. Being armed for your own defense is also a strategy, but I think it is a better one.

Because Actually Getting a Job Is Out of the Question

The linked article could start discussions on so many things. Recidivism being the obvious choice. Robbery suspect is convicted murderer. But a quote late in the story makes me want to scream.

“I don’t want to hurt you but I have to make a living,” one of the robbers told the clerk Monday.

The 2 got about 100 dollars in cash.

The murder – in 1990 – was also the result of a robbery, which also netted about 100 bucks. But in 1990, he couldn’t leave a living witness, even though she was nice.

“They simply could not leave a witness alive,” a Metro detective was quoted in 1990 by The Tennessean. Coleman told Metro detectives how “nice” the 1990 victim was, who had given the men free sandwiches before they shot her to death, hid her body in the store and left in her car with less than $100 in cash, a similar amount to that taken Monday in Shelbyville.

He could have made more money if he got a job in the store and applied himself.

Cooperation Is Held Up As the Key to Safety

“Just give them what they want, and they will leave you alone.” That is the mantra of all who hate self-defense. Too bad these 2 didn’t get that memo. 2 South Carolina residents charged with killing gas station clerk during robbery.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are, or are not, doing.

Middlesex County Prosecutor Andrew Carey said Wright, after getting the cash from the register, shot and killed Bertram.

The only thing I don’t understand is why the getaway driver is not charged with murder. (The guy who pulled the trigger is.) But maybe New Jersey thinks that Felony Murder is unfair.

More on the Violence of Violent Criminals

Offering to help the bad guy got the clerk shot. Tell me again about this “Just give them what they want” strategy. Paroled robber charged in shooting of Oakland store clerk, fleeing with cash register.

A guy is robbing a store, but he is unable to open the register. So the clerk offers to open it for him – offers to “give him what he wants.” How did that work out?

When the clerk offered to help him open the drawer, Page shot him and then ran out of the store with the register, the documents say. The clerk survived the shooting.

He was on parole when he committed this crime, so they were able to identify him via fingerprints. He’s been arrested. Again.

See also the previous posting, which is on the same subject.

Even Cops Are Confused About Criminals

Violent Criminals don’t stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Cops in Maryland are unclear on this concept. Frederick community rallies for clerk shot during Exxon robbery.

Police say one of them drew a gun and fired it at the young woman before running away from the scene.

“It’s concerning because there was no reason to shoot her. She wasn’t resisting, she wasn’t being aggressive, she was listening to what their demands were. For us it’s very troubling,” said Frederick City Police officer Michele Bowman.

Cooperation is held out to be this guarantee. “Just give them what they want” is a strategy. As this incident demonstrates, not a particularly good strategy. Of course being armed for you own protection is also a strategy. (There are not guarantees in this life.)

The woman who got shot is expected to survive.

As for why violent criminals are violent criminals… It’s in their nature.

“He complied, but he was still murdered.”

“Just give them what they want, and they will leave you alone,” is the mantra of those who hate the very idea of self-defense. Too bad it isn’t the guarantee it is held up as. 4 men charged in murder of store clerk in SW Houston.

Violent criminals remain violent criminals without regard to anything you are or are not doing.

Investigators say Qureshi was working at Sunny’s Food Store in the 9000 block of South Dairy Ashford when the suspects entered the store and demanded money.

He complied, but he was still murdered. Officers had a break in the case when police say they noticed a vehicle blocking a lane of traffic.

He gave them what the asked for, and they killed him anyway.

Having a gun for self-defense may not have saved this man. There are no guarantees in this life save for death, and next winter’s snow. But relying on the strategy of “Just do what you’re told to do” is also not a guarantee. You should consider what is the strategy for dealing with a violent encounter you prefer.

We Are Told Cooperation Is the Path to Safety

We are told again and again, “Just give them what they want, and you will be OK.” I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Store clerk shot by robbers in Ventura.

While the victim was getting money from the cash register, the armed suspect reportedly shot him, officials said. The victim was treated at Ventura County Medical Center for injuries that were not considered life threatening.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Cooperation is not a guarantee of safety, it is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. Being armed in your own self-defense is also not a guarantee, but some strategies are better than others.

And the Left never brings up the “Just give them what they want” mantra when the subject turns to rape. Or they hardly ever do. (The likelihood of them saying that when rape is under discussion is not zero.)

Cooperation Is Supposed to Ensure Safety

The Gun-hating Left is always going on about how if you “just give them what they want” the bad guys will leave you alone. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Suspects in blue rubber gloves, surgical mask shoot Halifax gas station clerk.

The suspects took money and cigarettes and, while exiting the store, one of the suspects turned around and shot one of the employees.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are, or are not, doing.

Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. It is not a guarantee. Of course being armed in your own defense is also a strategy. One that is typically blocked by employers. But cooperation is in my estimation, not the best strategy, if that is all you are prepared to do.

Cooperation With Criminals: Historical Edition

Sept 4, 1987 – 31 years ago: A deadly night at the National Supermarket

The history in a nutshell.

Editor’s note: On the night of Sept. 4, 1987, two gunmen entered the National Supermarket store on Natural Bridge in north St. Louis. What followed would be the worst mass killing in the history of the St. Louis Police Department. This is the original report published in the Post-Dispatch.

The store was closed. The victims were employees. The gunmen probably got entrance by some ruse, perhaps posing as “floor cleaners.”

The victims were herded into a corner on the west side of the store, ordered to lie down in a row and were shot execution-style in the head, police said. The store aisles near the office contained pools of blood.

They probably got very little money for all this killing. The store’s money was in a safe that the employees couldn’t open.

Armed security may not have saved anyone. If surprise was total there might have been no chance to defend yourself or others. But cooperation did nothing to ensure anyone’s safety, because violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals due to anything you are doing or not doing. Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter; it is not a guarantee.

He Had What He Wanted, But Shot the Clerk Anyway

Cooperation with criminals is often touted as THE way to ensure your safety in a potentially violent situation. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Beaumont Police make first arrest from Valero Robbery that left clerk critically injured.

Three guys ambush a clerk in the parking lot of a business, force him back inside and demand money.

Once inside the store one of the suspects jumped the front counter and demanded money from the clerk. As the 3 suspects were fleeing the store, one of the suspects shot the store clerk. The clerk was transported to a local hospital where he is still listed in critical condition.

This guy had his money and was leaving the store, when he shot the clerk. Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Now a gun may not have saved this guy. Just like cooperation is not a guarantee, being armed in your own defense is not a guarantee. (“There are no guarantees in this life save for death and next winter’s snow.”) They are both strategies for dealing with a violent or potentially violent encounter. And since most businesses like their employees to be disarmed, this guy may not have had the option of being armed.

The point to remember is that cooperation will not ensure your safety. As a strategy, I think it lacks several key features. But YMMV.

Cooperation Didn’t Stop This Guy From Trying to Shoot Clerk

The clerk was doing what he was asked to do, but the bad guy tried to shoot him anyway. Trigger sticks during armed robbery of Royal Farms.

As the suspect ordered the five patrons down on the floor, police said he struck one of them in the head with the handgun. He then pointed the gun directly at the clerk and demanded money from the store’s register.

DSP indicated that, while the employee was gathering the money, the suspect became agitated and pulled the handgun’s trigger. The weapon did not fire and, after eventually receiving an undisclosed amount of cash from the clerk, fled from the same set of doors in which he entered the store.

So this clerk wasn’t saved by cooperation; he was saved because of poor maintenance, or bad ammo, or blind luck. But not because he was doing what he was asked to do.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of any action on your part. You can cooperate. That’s a strategy. I think this incident indicates that it isn’t a very good strategy, but it may be your only option. Still, given that stuff like this happens on a regular basis – and often without the “luck” of a malfunctioning firearm in the mix – you might want to consider what other options you have.

We Are Always Told To Cooperate to Ensure Our Safety

The gun-hating Left is always going on about “If you give the bad guy what he wants, he will leave you alone”. I guess this guy didn’t get that memo. Clerk shot during Arlington gas station armed robbery.

The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office says the suspect walked in to the store off Arlington Road and the Arlington Expressway a little after 10:30AM. He allegedly demanded money from the employee, and even though police say the victim complied, the suspect shot the clerk in the torso and then fled.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because you are cooperating. They remain violent criminals independent of your actions.

Cooperation is a strategy. There are other strategies – like being armed in your own defense. I believe that some strategies are better than others.

Oh, and in 2018, we should have better quality security video. Just sayin’.

‡ regarding the crime of rape: Leftists never want to discuss rape when they bring up that “cooperate” strategy. Did I say never? I meant mostly, because some WILL advise cooperation with a rapist, which isn’t so much as stupid, as purely evil advice.

I Thought The Left Says Cooperation Is the Way to Go

Just comply with the bad guys and they will leave you alone. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Clerk Shot, Killed At Mid-City Gas Station

Police say the man complied with the suspects’ demands but was shot anyway. The two suspects were described as men in their 20s. They were seen fleeing in a white four-door Chevrolet Malibu.

And great reporting CBS. Men in their 20s. Is that all the description you have? Height. Weight. Hair color. Anything?

Cooperation with violent criminals is a strategy for getting out of a bad situation in one piece. I happen to think it is not a very good strategy.

Of course being armed to defend yourself is also only a strategy, not a defense. There are no guarantees in this life…

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing.

We Are Always Told Cooperation Will Ensure Safety

Just give the robber what he wants and you will be OK. I guess this guy didn’t get that memo. Police identify clerk shot during convenience store robbery

Investigators say the robber walked in demanding money. He took cash and some items from the store. Police say as he was leaving he fired one round that injured Foster in the arm.

So he had the money (ostensibly what he came for), but as he was leaving the store, he shot the clerk anyway.

Why? Because violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. (And that whole cooperation thing. The people who go on about that rarely want to talk about rape, but some will even maintain that attitude if the conversation veers toward rape.)

Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent criminal. It is not a guarantee. Being armed in your own self-defense is also a strategy; one that I believe is better. (You can always cooperate right up until the time you defend yourself.)

Resistance is Never Futile

“But what if…” hypothetical objections are demolished. Resistance is Never Futile by Mark Hatmaker

The “but what if…” is usually followed by any number of justifications or pie-in-the-sky hopeful mitigations. These “but what if…” objections are based on unfounded trust and an incorrect grasp of probability. The first objection, unfounded trust, is usually based on the following scenario.

Predator: Do what I say and I won’t hurt you.

Or, some other such promise to the victim.

Hat tip to Active Response Training and their Weekend Knowledge Dump. And also GunBloggers.com