More on the Violence of Violent Criminals

Offering to help the bad guy got the clerk shot. Tell me again about this “Just give them what they want” strategy. Paroled robber charged in shooting of Oakland store clerk, fleeing with cash register.

A guy is robbing a store, but he is unable to open the register. So the clerk offers to open it for him – offers to “give him what he wants.” How did that work out?

When the clerk offered to help him open the drawer, Page shot him and then ran out of the store with the register, the documents say. The clerk survived the shooting.

He was on parole when he committed this crime, so they were able to identify him via fingerprints. He’s been arrested. Again.

See also the previous posting, which is on the same subject.

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Even Cops Are Confused About Criminals

Violent Criminals don’t stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Cops in Maryland are unclear on this concept. Frederick community rallies for clerk shot during Exxon robbery.

Police say one of them drew a gun and fired it at the young woman before running away from the scene.

“It’s concerning because there was no reason to shoot her. She wasn’t resisting, she wasn’t being aggressive, she was listening to what their demands were. For us it’s very troubling,” said Frederick City Police officer Michele Bowman.

Cooperation is held out to be this guarantee. “Just give them what they want” is a strategy. As this incident demonstrates, not a particularly good strategy. Of course being armed for you own protection is also a strategy. (There are not guarantees in this life.)

The woman who got shot is expected to survive.

As for why violent criminals are violent criminals… It’s in their nature.

“He complied, but he was still murdered.”

“Just give them what they want, and they will leave you alone,” is the mantra of those who hate the very idea of self-defense. Too bad it isn’t the guarantee it is held up as. 4 men charged in murder of store clerk in SW Houston.

Violent criminals remain violent criminals without regard to anything you are or are not doing.

Investigators say Qureshi was working at Sunny’s Food Store in the 9000 block of South Dairy Ashford when the suspects entered the store and demanded money.

He complied, but he was still murdered. Officers had a break in the case when police say they noticed a vehicle blocking a lane of traffic.

He gave them what the asked for, and they killed him anyway.

Having a gun for self-defense may not have saved this man. There are no guarantees in this life save for death, and next winter’s snow. But relying on the strategy of “Just do what you’re told to do” is also not a guarantee. You should consider what is the strategy for dealing with a violent encounter you prefer.

We Are Told Cooperation Is the Path to Safety

We are told again and again, “Just give them what they want, and you will be OK.” I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Store clerk shot by robbers in Ventura.

While the victim was getting money from the cash register, the armed suspect reportedly shot him, officials said. The victim was treated at Ventura County Medical Center for injuries that were not considered life threatening.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Cooperation is not a guarantee of safety, it is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. Being armed in your own self-defense is also not a guarantee, but some strategies are better than others.

And the Left never brings up the “Just give them what they want” mantra when the subject turns to rape. Or they hardly ever do. (The likelihood of them saying that when rape is under discussion is not zero.)

Cooperation Is Supposed to Ensure Safety

The Gun-hating Left is always going on about how if you “just give them what they want” the bad guys will leave you alone. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Suspects in blue rubber gloves, surgical mask shoot Halifax gas station clerk.

The suspects took money and cigarettes and, while exiting the store, one of the suspects turned around and shot one of the employees.

Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are, or are not, doing.

Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter. It is not a guarantee. Of course being armed in your own defense is also a strategy. One that is typically blocked by employers. But cooperation is in my estimation, not the best strategy, if that is all you are prepared to do.

Cooperation With Criminals: Historical Edition

Sept 4, 1987 – 31 years ago: A deadly night at the National Supermarket

The history in a nutshell.

Editor’s note: On the night of Sept. 4, 1987, two gunmen entered the National Supermarket store on Natural Bridge in north St. Louis. What followed would be the worst mass killing in the history of the St. Louis Police Department. This is the original report published in the Post-Dispatch.

The store was closed. The victims were employees. The gunmen probably got entrance by some ruse, perhaps posing as “floor cleaners.”

The victims were herded into a corner on the west side of the store, ordered to lie down in a row and were shot execution-style in the head, police said. The store aisles near the office contained pools of blood.

They probably got very little money for all this killing. The store’s money was in a safe that the employees couldn’t open.

Armed security may not have saved anyone. If surprise was total there might have been no chance to defend yourself or others. But cooperation did nothing to ensure anyone’s safety, because violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals due to anything you are doing or not doing. Cooperation is a strategy for dealing with a violent encounter; it is not a guarantee.

He Had What He Wanted, But Shot the Clerk Anyway

Cooperation with criminals is often touted as THE way to ensure your safety in a potentially violent situation. I guess these guys didn’t get that memo. Beaumont Police make first arrest from Valero Robbery that left clerk critically injured.

Three guys ambush a clerk in the parking lot of a business, force him back inside and demand money.

Once inside the store one of the suspects jumped the front counter and demanded money from the clerk. As the 3 suspects were fleeing the store, one of the suspects shot the store clerk. The clerk was transported to a local hospital where he is still listed in critical condition.

This guy had his money and was leaving the store, when he shot the clerk. Violent criminals do not stop being violent criminals because of anything you are or are not doing. Now a gun may not have saved this guy. Just like cooperation is not a guarantee, being armed in your own defense is not a guarantee. (“There are no guarantees in this life save for death and next winter’s snow.”) They are both strategies for dealing with a violent or potentially violent encounter. And since most businesses like their employees to be disarmed, this guy may not have had the option of being armed.

The point to remember is that cooperation will not ensure your safety. As a strategy, I think it lacks several key features. But YMMV.