Ireland’s Vote for Gay Marriage has a Lot of People (not all) Cheesed Off

Ireland is a very Catholic country. Or at least it was traditionally so. Lately they have done crazy and unheard of things, like legalizing divorce. The gay marriage referendum was bound to bring out some “interesting” responses.

Things started out calm, with the Archbishop of Dublin noting that the reality of Ireland is not what the church had seen through its internal filters. Church in Ireland needs 'reality check' after gay marriage vote. That reality check statement was from a quote of the Archbishop.

The archbishop told the Irish broadcaster RTÉ: “We [the Church] have to stop and have a reality check, not move into denial of the realities.

“We won’t begin again with a sense of renewal, with a sense of denial.

Needless to say, that calm voice wasn’t the first of many calm voices. The conservatives – inside of and outside of religious organizations – have reacted with more vitriolic statements.

I won’t include most of them here. It isn’t necessary, as they have been plastered all over the web, but what intrigued me was the way the Irish vote is showing up in this country. The Religious Right is scurrying around trying to figure out what to do if (when?) the Supreme Court either makes gay marriage available everywhere, or makes every state recognize same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

Franklin Graham, son of Billy, called the whole thing “Defiance against God.” His sister, is predicting the “end of humanity.” (No hyperbole there!) I suppose that they are entitled to their opinion. Of course I think 61% of the Irish might disagree with them.


Ireland Passes Same-sex Marriage Referendum

Polling was correct. The referendum passed overwhelmingly. Ireland passes same-sex marriage referendum –

Despite speculation in the run-up that opposition to the measure might have been understated because people were too shy to tell pollsters that they planned to vote “no” — the outcome was lopsided, with the measure passing by just over 61% of the total vote cast.

In a US Presidential election, 61% would be a landslide. (Click through to the story for a better view of the graphic “Countries that allow gay marriage”)

Gay Marriage: A Look at the Losing Arguments

Gay FlagMuch ink (and electrons!) has been spilled on the subject of gay marriage in the past few weeks. I haven’t said much, because others have been saying it better. But this look at the arguments used by the State of Idaho made me smile. (It’s too early in the day to laugh.) Same-sex marriage opposition falls short – – Oct. 18, 2014.

Here are just of few of the arguments used. Granted, the state dressed them up in more legal-boilerplate, but this is essentially what they said.

  • Gay marriage will make heterosexual parents more likely to abandon their children
  • Gay marriage will encourage Ruby to take her love to town – or to become unproductively obsessed with needlework
  • Idaho’s gay-marriage ban doesn’t even discriminate against gay people because they can get straight-married

There are a few more.

It shouldn’t be surprising, perhaps, that the legal arguments against gay marriage are so weak. Opponents of gay marriage sometimes use the term “common moral law” to defend their opposition to gay marriage. This means that, based on certain passages in the Bible or gut instinct, Everybody just knows it’s wrong.

Gay Marriage Ban Argument: Tradition!

 photo Gay-flag-6.gifGay marriage bans in Wisconsin (a state constitutional amendment) and in Indiana (a state law) were struck down by an appeals court in Chicago. Court rules against gay marriage bans in 2 states – Associated Press –

The arguments against permitting gays and lesbians to marry, are always the same.

Judge Posner at times expressed annoyance with Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Timothy Samuelson as he repeatedly cited tradition as the underlying justification for barring gay marriage.

Judge Posner was appointed by Ronald Reagan, and in a separate part of the proceedings, he compared the ban on gay marriage to the bans on inter-racial marriage that were struck down in 1967.

Whenever I hear the argument of “tradition” I always think of the song from the opening of “The Fiddler on the Roof.” (that song is “Tradition!”) My parents took me to a lot of live theater when I was young, and this was probably the first “theater in the round” production I had seen. It was also the first dinner theater I had attended, and even though the food was probably mediocre, I thought the whole thing was great. In this clip, I especially like the section at around 5 minutes in, about how traditions ensure “we always get along perfectly well.”

If you haven’t seen this play or the movie, I can recommend both. Considering the topic, it is very entertaining. (And for Starsky and Hutch fans, there is a VERY young Michael Glaser in the cast.)

What Do These Two Photos Have in Common?

Via The Smallest Minority: And THIS is Why We’re Winning. Who basically asks the question in the title to this post.

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[They] share a common meme – “We’re not going away, get used to us!” But waving guns in the face of the public really isn’t any more effective than waving genitalia. However, as Teresa Nielson Hayden put it so well several years ago,

Basically, I figure guns are like gays: They seem a lot more sinister and threatening until you get to know a few; and once you have one in the house, you can get downright defensive about them.

The only question really, is if open carry will ultimately be as effective – in gaining public acceptance of guns – as 40 years of gay-pride parades have been for the LGBT community.

Another State Must Recognize Gay Marriage

Judge Strikes Down Oregon Gay Marriage Ban – ABC News.

Seventeen states and the District of Columbia allow gay marriage. Federal or state judges in Idaho, Oklahoma, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Utah and Arkansas recently have found state same-sex marriage bans to be unconstitutional. Judges also have ordered Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.

Hard to believe people have a problem with equality.