Gay Marriage: A Look at the Losing Arguments

Gay FlagMuch ink (and electrons!) has been spilled on the subject of gay marriage in the past few weeks. I haven’t said much, because others have been saying it better. But this look at the arguments used by the State of Idaho made me smile. (It’s too early in the day to laugh.) Same-sex marriage opposition falls short – – Oct. 18, 2014.

Here are just of few of the arguments used. Granted, the state dressed them up in more legal-boilerplate, but this is essentially what they said.

  • Gay marriage will make heterosexual parents more likely to abandon their children
  • Gay marriage will encourage Ruby to take her love to town – or to become unproductively obsessed with needlework
  • Idaho’s gay-marriage ban doesn’t even discriminate against gay people because they can get straight-married

There are a few more.

It shouldn’t be surprising, perhaps, that the legal arguments against gay marriage are so weak. Opponents of gay marriage sometimes use the term “common moral law” to defend their opposition to gay marriage. This means that, based on certain passages in the Bible or gut instinct, Everybody just knows it’s wrong.

Gay Marriage Ban Argument: Tradition!

 photo Gay-flag-6.gifGay marriage bans in Wisconsin (a state constitutional amendment) and in Indiana (a state law) were struck down by an appeals court in Chicago. Court rules against gay marriage bans in 2 states – Associated Press –

The arguments against permitting gays and lesbians to marry, are always the same.

Judge Posner at times expressed annoyance with Wisconsin Assistant Attorney General Timothy Samuelson as he repeatedly cited tradition as the underlying justification for barring gay marriage.

Judge Posner was appointed by Ronald Reagan, and in a separate part of the proceedings, he compared the ban on gay marriage to the bans on inter-racial marriage that were struck down in 1967.

Whenever I hear the argument of “tradition” I always think of the song from the opening of “The Fiddler on the Roof.” (that song is “Tradition!”) My parents took me to a lot of live theater when I was young, and this was probably the first “theater in the round” production I had seen. It was also the first dinner theater I had attended, and even though the food was probably mediocre, I thought the whole thing was great. In this clip, I especially like the section at around 5 minutes in, about how traditions ensure “we always get along perfectly well.”

If you haven’t seen this play or the movie, I can recommend both. Considering the topic, it is very entertaining. (And for Starsky and Hutch fans, there is a VERY young Michael Glaser in the cast.)

What Do These Two Photos Have in Common?

Via The Smallest Minority: And THIS is Why We’re Winning. Who basically asks the question in the title to this post.

open carry Chipolte

[They] share a common meme – “We’re not going away, get used to us!” But waving guns in the face of the public really isn’t any more effective than waving genitalia. However, as Teresa Nielson Hayden put it so well several years ago,

Basically, I figure guns are like gays: They seem a lot more sinister and threatening until you get to know a few; and once you have one in the house, you can get downright defensive about them.

The only question really, is if open carry will ultimately be as effective – in gaining public acceptance of guns – as 40 years of gay-pride parades have been for the LGBT community.

Another State Must Recognize Gay Marriage

Judge Strikes Down Oregon Gay Marriage Ban – ABC News.

Seventeen states and the District of Columbia allow gay marriage. Federal or state judges in Idaho, Oklahoma, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Utah and Arkansas recently have found state same-sex marriage bans to be unconstitutional. Judges also have ordered Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.

Hard to believe people have a problem with equality.

Another of the “Special Rights” Gays Want – to Celebrate New Year’s Eve

OK so this story is a week old. I am behind the times I admit. Still… Soldier foils arsonist at crowded Seattle bar | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram.

The quick thinking of a U.S. Army staff sergeant likely helped prevent a fire inside a Seattle nightclub from becoming a tragedy during New Year’s Eve celebrations.

Seattle police say 750 people were celebrating in the club Neighbours when an arsonist poured gasoline on a carpeted stairway and set it ablaze.

Training and training accidents – I guess you really do learn these things. The US Army Staff Sgt. – now allowed to openly be in a gay bar – probably saved a lot of people that night.

Those damn gays! Wanting to celebrate New Years. What next? The 4th of July?

And yes, it is a gay club.

Same Sex Marriage Bans Unconstitutional

Expect a case (maybe this one) to go to SCOTUS. Judge strikes down Utah same-sex marriage ban.

U.S. District Judge Robert J. Shelby issued a 53-page ruling Friday saying Utah’s law passed by voters in 2004 violates gay and lesbian couples’ rights to due process and equal protection under the 14th Amendment.

Shelby says the state failed to show that allowing same-sex marriages would affect opposite-sex marriages in any way, and the state’s unsupported fears and speculations are insufficient to justify deny allowing same-sex marriages.

Expect the Right to have kittens on Monday. (All the talk radio.) How can this be? How can a gay marriage have no impact on your straight marriage? How can this not just squeeze the special out of straight marriage?

Hawaii Will Be 16th State to allow Gay Marriage

Liberty and Justice Gay Marriage to become legal in another state. Hawaii to become 16th state to legalize same-sex marriage –

Illinois will become the 15th state when Governor Quinn signs the bill recently passed in the legislature.

Worldwide, 16 other countries (and parts of Mexico) also have laws allowing same-sex marriage and domestic partnerships. Most of these are in Europe and South America.

Those Gays Want Special Rights Like Being Able to Walk

What more needs to be said? Gay Canadian Man Paralyzed in Alleged Hate Crime Stabbing |

Scott Jones, the 27-year-old victim, is in critical but stable condition after an assailant slashed his throat and stabbed him twice in the back early Saturday morning in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia

He was out for a night with friends.