Self-defense in Cincinnati – and Neighbors Were Shocked

You can file this under “If you break into houses, you will eventually find an armed resident.” Police identify victim in Madisonville fatal shooting

Cincinnati was at one time a fairly anti-gun city. The media were outright hostile to gun owners (where were the not?) and the city counsel did a lot to make gun owners unwelcome. The Ohio CCW law changed some of that, though not all. That makes even a relatively neutral story on lethal self-defense just a little bit amazing to me.

Police went to 6615 Roe St. about 1 p.m. Saturday for a possible burglary-in-progress call. They said a resident in the house fired at least one shot, killing the suspected burglar.

The reporter seems to be a bit vague on homicide versus murder, but he is clearly trying to be neutral.

Oh and the neighbors were shocked surprised to discover that they live in the Real World™ where crime can occur.

“It’s surprising that it took place in this neighborhood, especially in the daytime,” [a neighbor] said.

The fact is that if you can read this, then you don’t live in Mayberry or Pleasantville, and not residing in those mythic locations you live in an area where crime can (and probably does) happen from time to time, even if it doesn’t happen very often. Make your plans accordingly.

Self-defense is Legal in Cincinnati

Apparently there was some doubt. Prosecutor: Clerk’s shooting of robbery suspect justified | Local News – WLWT Home

Kirby was wearing blue latex gloves, a hoodie and face covering that partially concealed his face. He produced a gun, later identified as a loaded semi-automatic .380 handgun.

Kirby pointed the gun at the clerk and demanded the money from the register, Deters said. Kirby then forced the clerk to the back to try and open a safe. At some point, Kirby turned his head, and the clerk pulled out his own concealed weapon and fired four times, Deters said. All four shots struck Kirby.

There are still images at the link above. You see the would-be bad-guy point a gun at the clerk. You see him on the ground after he was shot.

The clerk was calling 911 – for an ambulance as much as anything – when Kirby decided to run. He didn’t get far. Police found him nearby; he died at a local hospital.

Self-defense is a human-right.

“He had three choices”

It’s a citizen shot by cops, so the complaints are flying, but the video shows he attacked cops. Video Shows Suspect Attack Cincinnati Police Officer

And the video shows him with a knife at the local Kroger, where he was believed to have been shoplifting.

What were his three choices?

  1. Flee
  2. Comply (what the FOP wants you to do)
  3. Launch a frontal assault

He picked option 3, and the results should not surprise anyone.

It is unfortunate, but “the choices we make dictate the lives we lead.” Or don’t as the case may be.

There is much in the media about this guy being homeless, and mentally ill. I don’t know, but it seems that the cops didn’t have a lot of choice in the seconds of the attack. If you are attacked by a mentally ill person, you still have the right to defend yourself from that attack.

48 Minutes to Respond to a 911 Call About Someone Trying to Break Into a Home

What if you called 911 and no one came? Or they didn’t arrive for a very long time? Tick-tock: How long is too long to wait for police? |

Multiple calls to 911 by numerous people kept getting the same response. “Cops are on the way.” But of course they weren’t.

At 29 minutes since the first call, another neighbor called 911.

And he didn’t mince words.

“Do you guys actually ever send somebody?” Terry Bazeley [a neighbor] asked the operator. “Why aren’t they sending somebody?”

Operator: “Ah, they’ve been dispatched.”

“It’s five minutes from headquarters, so 25 minutes later somebody should have been here,” Bazeley implored.

At 48 minutes after the first 911 call, an officer called dispatch to see if they were still waiting, and he went to the neighborhood.

Calling 911 is a fine thing to do, but what if the result isn’t quite what you expect? Then what will you do?

The residents of the home this guy was trying to break into, were armed. If he hadn’t been so drunk/drugged/whatever and had gotten in, he would probably be dead. As it is, when cops FINALLY arrived they arrested him for drunk and disorderly.

Calling 911 is fine thing to do, but I think you should have more strategy than just, “Call 911.”