“Legally, they’re all equally culpable”

Felony murder AND teens tried as adults. SJW heads exploding in three, two, … Judge delays hearing in Warren County teen murder case.

They tried to rob someone, and he defended himself, killing one of the would-be bad-guys.

[Warren County Prosecutor David] Fornshell said he still expected all five cases to be bound over to the adult court and the teens to face murder charges, while acknowledging the different roles alleged.

“Legally, they’re all equally culpable,” Fornshell said.

Because you should be held accountable for the completely foreseeable consequences of your actions.

Felony Murder? In California?

Who knew? Man gets prison for gang shooting that led to partner’s death.

OK, so it’s not quite felony murder, since he took a plea deal. I’m only guessing that more severe charges were waiting if it went before a jury.

Daniel De Los Reyes Jr., now 21, pleaded guilty to attempted murder for opening fire on an 18-year-old rival, who returned fire and fatally wounded 18-year-old James Martinez.

And the bit that makes the Californians even more crazy than felony murder?

Charges were never filed against the attempted murder target for killing Martinez because he fired his weapon in self-defense, according to Deputy District Attorney Christina Arrollado.

Even in The People’s Republic of California, self-defense just might be your legal right.

Felony Murder in Arizona

The Left will be screeching about how it is unfair, in about 3 seconds. Yuma County home invasion suspect charged with murder.

Three guys invade a home, but they suffered from a breakdown of the victim-selection process, and the homeowner was armed. One bad-guy died and two were hospitalized.

One of the two survivors has been charged with criminal damage, second degree burglary and first degree murder.

Although the home-owner shot the suspect who was killed deputies are charging Gonzalez with the murder because it happened at the time of the burglary.

Because you are responsible for the entirely foreseeable consequences of your actions. And the Left doesn’t like that. Individual responsibility? What next? Self-reliance?

How Much Does the Left Hate Felony Murder?

A lot. Convicted of murder, but a police officer pulled the trigger.

This case is similar to the one from Illinois recently where a bunch of kids (and one adult) from Chicago went to Lake County, to steal cars, and one was shot and killed. In the 2015 Alabama case, the kid who died was involved in burglary, and was shot by a deputy. The other kids with him were charged with first degree murder.

Alabama is one of the 42 states that have felony murder. But PBS still manages to call it a “little-known legal doctrine.” (Is that projection, or wishful-thinking?) Because the idea that you should be called to account for your actions, and the completely foreseeable consequences of those actions, is foreign to the Left. Responsibility, or rather individual responsibility, must be eliminated.

He didn’t pull the trigger. He didn’t kill anybody. So how can he possibly be charged with murder?

CJ Robinson:
I think that’s a great question. And, you know, to answer that question, you really have to look at Alabama law.

Let’s see what CJ Robinson has to say. He is the chief deputy district attorney for Alabama’s 19th circuit.

When you’re engaging in a series of the most dangerous behavior that’s out there, the question for us was: Is it foreseeable that someone could die based off these five young men’s conduct? Our answer was, “Absolutely.”

So why is felony murder such a “little known” thing? Why haven’t the folks at PBS and NPR and wherever been trying to educate the public of its existence? I think the Left and the Media (but I repeat myself) is hoping it goes away. Good luck with that.

A Media Outlet Talking About Responsibility?

Surely it’s a sign of the end times. Or something. Austin Weekly News: Parents of kids who commit crimes. (And don’t be fooled. In this case Austin isn’t a city in Texas, it’s a neighborhood in Chicago.)

This relates to the recent case in Illinois where a bunch of kids from Chicago decided to travel north to Lake County to steal cars. During a confrontation with a homeowner, 2 teens “approached him,” one of them was armed with a knife, and he defended himself. One teen is dead, 5 are in jail, held on $1 million bond, each.

Jaquan’s mother has spoken to the media and she puts the blame for her son’s death solely on the 75-year-old homeowner. But where is her accountability for her young teen son being with his older teen cousins whom she knew had a propensity to steal cars?

The columnist, Arlene Jones, also covers the reactions of the other mothers to the idea that their children may go to prison for 20 years. No one, except Ms. Jones, seems to be talking about responsibility. And everyone is upset by the fact that in Lake County, Illinois – unlike Cook County – there are serious consequences for committing serious crimes.

In another column, she has a few words to say about the uproar over the use of felony murder charges by the Lake County State’s Attorney. It seems a lot of people are calling for the law to be changed. Ms. Jones thinks the law should be made a bit stronger, to include the irresponsible parents.

And I agree. That law should be amended to add in wayward parents and make them as culpable for the crime as their wayward minor children. When a parent admits she knows her nephews steal cars, and she doesn’t have a problem with sending her 14-year-old son off to be with them, that is a serious issue.

Must be sign of end times.

Lies, Damn Lies and Media Bias

Because being held responsible for the foreseeable consequences of your actions is not fair. At least not to the Liberal mindset. Column: Five Chicago teenagers are charged with a murder police know they did not commit. In Illinois, it’s legal.

The lie is right up front.

A 14-year-old boy was shot and killed for allegedly trying to steal a car from a driveway.

The homeowner didn’t shoot because they were stealing his car. The homeowner opened fire because two of the “teens” were approaching him, one of whom was armed with a knife. Hence the self-defense part of the story. The original posting on this incident can be found at the following link. Felony Murder in Illinois.

And the fact that The Left HATES Felony Murder, because why should you be responsible for the consequences of your actions? That would be just plain crazy. (At least the way the politicians in Chicago see things.)

the five teenagers who were with him were charged with a murder they did not commit.

The 2 quotes I have above are actually 2 clauses from 1 sentence in the first paragraph of this article. The 2nd paragraph contains another lie.

That’s because of an obscure Illinois law that allows authorities to charge people with murder if someone dies during the commission of a serious crime, whether they personally inflicted the injury or not. In this case, the crime was burglary.

Felony Murder is NOT an obscure law. Not even though The Left would love to consign it to that status. (See the tag at the bottom of this post.)

Now this is a column, not a news article even though it tries to come across as one. So some opinion is expected.

Without question, these kids deserve to be held accountable if this is true. But charging them with murder? That’s ridiculous.

What’s ridiculous is expecting the rest of the country to follow Chicago down the “no consequences” path to destruction. And lack of consequences is exactly what the Tribune is pushing for.

It is wrong to charge teenagers with a murder they clearly did not intend to happen and likely never even considered might happen.

Both the teenagers (who are being charged as adults) and the legal adult should have thought about consequences, but of course in Cook County, there aren’t any. And the columnist needs to grow up a little as well. Those “teens” were armed with a knife, and threaten the homeowner. I doubt she would be crying crocodile tears if they had stabbed the homeowner in Lake County.

Oh, and the Sun-Times doesn’t want to be left out. EDITORIAL: Charge of murder against five teens in Gurnee shooting is a stretch .

That said, we believe the Lake County state’s attorney’s office went too far — following a state law that goes too far — in charging five of the teenagers with murder after the alleged auto theft went awry and the sixth teenager was shot and killed.

Because being responsible for the foreseeable consequences of your actions is unfair. Or something.

Felony Murder

JusticeAll she did was drive the car, but you are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of your actions. And being the getaway driver for a home-invasion, you should know that bad things can happen. One dead after Canton home invasion, driver charged with murder.

The victims, a northwest Canton couple, awoke about 2 a.m. Monday to two masked men pistol-whipping them during a robbery attempt, according to investigators.

They say the resident fatally shot one of the intruders while a second as-yet-unidentified burglar ran from the home in the 2600 block of Second Street NW.

Police later in the day charged the suspected driver, Joi T. Griffith.

The Left screaming about this is unfair in 3, 2, …

Canton City Prosecutor Jason Reese said even though Griffith didn’t pull the trigger, Ohio law allows her to be charged with murder because someone died during the commission of another felony crime, in this case the burglary.

Police are still looking for the guy who ran.

The Left REALLY Hates Felony Murder

OK, the setup is how Missouri must be a strange state for having felony murder. How you can be convicted of murder in Missouri without killing anyone.

And as usual, they focus on one case, that may or may not help their cause. (Though that case started when the bad guys wouldn’t stop over a busted headlamp.) If you get 9 paragraphs in, they finally cough up a bit of truth.

Missouri is one of 45 states in which someone can be charged with murder without actually killing someone through a mechanism known as felony murder.

The bold text is in the original.

So, 90 percent of states have some version of felony murder. (I’m guessing California, a few other Left-coast states, New York, and Illinois, but I’m not sure.)

So in the vast majority of this country, you can be held accountable for the perfectly foreseeable consequences of your actions. Rob a store with your buddy, and he shoots someone, that’s on you. Don’t like that outcome? Don’t rob stores.

But that’s not fair, according to the Left. Holding people responsible for their actions? That is so unfair.

Felony Murder in Missouri

You are responsible for the completely foreseeable consequences of your actions. 3 charged with murder after alleged teen accomplice is killed in University City robbery attempt.

Gregory Bell, 18, of St. Louis, along with Davion Rainey, 18, of St. Louis, and Bell’s 16-year-old brother, Noah Bell, allegedly went into the backyard of a home in the 1300 block of Coolidge Drive and were confronted by the homeowner.

Both the suspects and the homeowner were armed, police said, and the homeowner shot at the suspects, hitting the 16-year-old. The three suspects then fled the scene, police said.

The two surviving miscreants as well as the estranged wife of the homeowner who was attacked (she conspired with the three) are charged with second-degree murder.

Self-defense is a human-right.

Don’t Bring a Hammer to a Gunfight

Self-defense and a felony murder charge in the People’s Republic of Illinois. Man Charged With Murder After Accomplice Shot And Killed In Robbery Attempt.

They went to see about buying a gun. But they didn’t intend to actually buy the gun.

Once inside the home, Zachery and the other man allegedly tried to rob the man who was selling the gun, and hit him several times with a hammer.

The victim then shot Zachery’s accomplice in self defense, police said. That man was pronounced dead at the scene. The Lake County Coroner’s office said he has been identified as Joseph McHaney, of Chicago.

Someone else in the home held Mr. Zachery until police arrived. He was charged with armed robbery and first degree murder.

Florida Has a Felony Murder Law

JusticeThis is very similar to an incident from September, but this crime took place in May. Third person arrested, charged with murder in Tampa home invasion.

Four people break into a home in Tampa, Florida. Since Floridians are almost as heavily armed as Texans, they meet an armed homeowner, who defends himself, and one of the 4 bad guys is killed. The other 3 scamper.

The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office arrested Taylor Pritt and Vincent Benitez, both 20, Saturday, charging them with second degree felony murder with a firearm and robbery/home invasion with a firearm. Late Saturday night, deputies in Clay County arrested Ashley Causey, 32, on charges of home invasion and murder resulting from distribution of controlled substances.

The Left is on record as not liking Florida’s law, because it is unfair to hold people accountable for the completely foreseeable consequences of their actions. Or something.

Self-defense is a human-right.

Because the Left Thinks Responsibility for the Consequences of One’s Actions Is Unfair

JusticeOr Something. The Left REALLY hates felony murder, because they don’t think you should be held accountable for the consequences of your actions. Even when those consequences are pretty easy to see. Florida’s felony murder statute has some locals facing murder charges, without ever having pulled a trigger.

They discuss 2 cases: One I don’t care about. (Drug dealer kills someone who tried to steal his drugs.) The other I do care about.

Five people tried to invade a home. One of them was shot and killed by the homeowner. The four others are charged with 2nd degree felony murder under Florida law.

The argument? They are young (17ish). They didn’t think it through. Do you think at 17 they understand the difference between good and evil? Right and wrong? But then the Left doesn’t admit there are such things.

My first posting on this incident can be found at this link.

If Someone Dies As a Result of Your Crime, You Can Be Charged with Murder

JusticeThe lawyers call it different things in different jurisdictions, but it is usually called Felony Murder by us mere mortals. Accused accomplice charged with murder in death of intruder killed in home invasion | AL.com

Two guys are just hanging out in one of their homes, when 2 would-be bad-guys force their way in and attempt a robbery. The 2 friends fight back, and in the fight one of the bad-guys is shot and killed.

The other guy was arrested a few days later, and has now been charged in the death of his accomplice.

Under Alabama law, a person can be charged with murder if they are participating in a felony crime that results in death, whether or not that person actually pulled the trigger.

Neither the guy who was arrested or the guy who got shot is a stranger to law enforcement.

That’s What is Known As Felony Murder

He thought he was committing home-invasion, but but he ended up being charged with murder. Homeowner shoots and kills suspected burglar | WHAS11.com

Police say 23-year-old Aaron McDuffie and another person kicked in the door and broke into a home… .

Once inside, the homeowner, shot at McDuffie and the other suspect, hitting and killing the other man.

The arrested McDuffie shortly after, and charged him with murder.

A local attorney explained to us that McDuffie is charged with the murder because he and the man who was killed were in the middle of committing a crime they knew could put their lives at risk.

Because reporters who cover the crime beat can’t be expected to know things like this. They are journalism majors after all, not engineers or lawyers.

Note: I am not a lawyer, and I don’t play one on TV.