Bad Guy With a Gun. Good Guy With a Gun

crime scene tapeThat thing the Left says “Never Happens,” well it happened again in Salt Lake City. Police: Gunman shot, killed by employee in Salt Lake club.

He had been asked to leave the bar earlier, but he apparently was able to get back in.

About 1:30 a.m., one of the patrons at Echo Nightclub, 134 W. Pierpont Ave., “decided to go out, get a gun, and started shooting it throughout the club. At one point, another person that was there, an employee who had his own gun, saw it and shot him,” said Salt Lake Police Lt. Brett Olsen.

No one else was injured, Olsen said.

He was shot once, staggered outside the bar, and was pronounced dead a short time later.

“Thanks to the quick actions by an employee to stop the shooter, our patrons and staff were unharmed. We are cooperating fully with law enforcement to aid in their investigation and will continue our efforts to the best of our abilities to maintain a safe environment for our customers and staff.”

A healthy attitude toward safety.

There is quite a bit of detail in the linked article, including how at least one drunk got arrested for trying to interfere with lifesaving efforts.

I’m sure that some people would say that they “don’t feel safe” if they knew there were armed employees. So the question is, do you want to feel safe, or would you rather actually be safe?

Good Guys 6, Bad Guys 0

I won’t count the 7th bad guy… 6 arrested in fatal home invasion robbery in Utah.

An attempted home invasion robbery in Vineyard resulted in one of the would-be robbers being shot and killed by the resident and at least six others arrested, according to police.

4 adults and 2 juveniles were arrested, though it isn’t clear to me that both kids were involved in this crime, or if one of them was swept up on an unrelated warrant when is friends were pulled in.

The resident was not arrested. However, a follow-up interview with the man and his attorney was scheduled for Wednesday. Cannon said detectives “want to take a deliberate approach and make sure we don’t jump to conclusions that are wrong.”

I think that falls under the heading of “never talk to the police without an attorney present.”

Self-defense is a human-right, and I would love for someone from the gun-hating Left to tell me how you would stand up to an assault by 7 perpetrators without a firearm.

Self-defense Is Legal In Utah

Prosecutors and Journalists hate that. The Justice Files: Accused murderer walks after jury called it self-defense.

Elbert Paule never denied shooting Dominique Barnett.

He admitted to using a shotgun to kill Barnett who was at his doorstep at an apartment in Orem.

In March, 2019, Barnett died from the gunshot and Paule was later arrested and charged with his murder. But Paule claimed it was self defense.

The guy was apparently armed with a knife.

He is still in jail facing an “obstruction of justice” charge. No doubt from maintaining his innocence in the shooting.

He Wasn’t Careless. He Was a Jackass

Facepalm X 2He thought he was a funny guy, turns out he was just another idiot. Jazz forward Rudy Gobert donates $500K for coronavirus aid.

At a press conference on Monday, Gobert touched microphones placed on the table where he was sitting, joking about the overreaction of people toward the severity of the coronavirus. It was an action he later described as “careless.”

Then he got sick and tested positive. Which probably means that he was contagious on Monday while he was being a jackass. But hey. Overreaction. Because he won’t die, mostly only people already sick or over 65 (or something) die. So the 500,000 bucks won’t help anyone who dies, even if it ends up helping their families.

My previous post (see the link) is also on how the “kids these days, with their rock & roll music” don’t care about the havoc they cause, but only about being inconvenienced, or their opportunities for fun.

Self-defense is Legal in Utah

But then I thought it was. No charges for Provo man who shot and killed neighbor in June.

Police reported Jeremy Sorensen, 26, was physically fighting an 18-year-old woman in the driveway of his apartment near 500 N. 200 East in Provo on June 3.

A 22-year-old neighbor driving by tried to stop the dispute and ultimately shot Sorensen twice in the chest. Sorensen died of his injuries later that night.

Prosecutors finally decided that they couldn’t win it was self-defense.

Self-defense is a still a human-right. And it may be your legal right in Utah.

Prosecutors Hate Self-defense

It gets in the way of Winning. (Justice? What’s that?) Charges dismissed against West Valley man accused in deadly argument turned shooting.

Toledo’s lawyer, Rudy Bautista, told 2News the state’s witnesses were actually supporting his argument that Toledo was acting in self-defense during the shooting.

“To begin with, the witnesses not only made inconsistent statements, but actually supported that the defendant was acting in self-defense, so that was a crucial turning point for this case,” Bautista said.

He also said the judge assigned to the case was frustrated that Toledo had been jailed for 13 months “with no evidence presented to court to show that he was guilty of any kind,” he said.

The case was not dismissed “with prejudice,” but if the witness is on record

  1. Contradicting themselves
  2. Supporting a case for Self-defense

Then it gets very difficult for the DA.

“Intoxicated with a gun is a recipe for disaster.”

He suffered a failure of the victim-selection process. Man with gun is shot while allegedly menacing Taylorsville homeowner, neighbor.

A drunk guy shows up at a home, with a gun, and starts “menacing” the homeowner.

A neighbor who saw what was going on went into his own home and came back out with his own gun, which he put in his waistband, Hansen said.

The homeowner who was hosting the children’s party walked over to talk with his neighbor.

“The suspect returned and engaged both of them, and then he pulled out the gun,” Hansen told Gephardt Daily. “He was pointing the gun at both of them, at the homeowner and the neighbor. And the neighbor pulled out his own gun and shot him and he went down.”

He was a “restricted person,” so he should never have had a gun, according to current gun laws. Would another law mitigate the situation?

The guy who got shot is in a local hospital. Cops are treating it like self-defense, but the Prosecutor makes determinations about prosecutions.

The World Is Not a Safe Place

Not even the subsection of the world found on college campuses. Parents of slain University of Utah student Lauren McCluskey to file lawsuit against U for ‘failing to protect’ Lauren.

On Oct. 22, 2018, Oregon native McCluskey, 21 and a member of the U of U track team, was fatally shot outside her dormitory by Melvin Shawn Rowland, 37. She had dated him briefly before discovering he had lied to her about his name, age and criminal history, including the fact that he was a convicted sex offender.

She called campus security numerous times. They didn’t do anything.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I’m no lawyer, but the cops in general have no duty to protect you, not even if you have a restraining order. I’m not sure why a college campus would be held to a higher standard, but then the courts have become insane in recent years.

The world is not a safe space, and maybe even if she was armed in her own self-defense (is that even allowed on The University of Utah campus?) things would have turned out tragically. There are no guarantees in this life. But you can’t “make a campus 100% safe” unless you make that campus into maximum security environment, and even then bad things can happen.

A Good Guy With a Gun – The Situation The Left Says Never Happens

This just never happens, right? Man dies after being shot by passerby during alleged assault in Provo.

A man who was allegedly assaulting a woman when he was shot by a passerby Monday night has died.

The investigation is ongoing, but…

Defense attorney and former prosecutor Greg Skordas said Utah’s self-defense law allows for the use of force, or deadly force, for not only a victim, but for anyone who sees someone else being assaulted.

Self-defense is a human-right.

Crazy Ex’s Come In All Flavors

Current biases – on the part of everyone from feminists to media – hold that men are the only crazy ex’s. But it is really more complicated than that. Utah woman upset over breakup breaks into ex’s house, stabs him, charges say.

The man told police that about 3 a.m., Zhang entered his house “and woke him up, confronting him about a new female friend he had. They began to talk and then she pulled out a kitchen knife and stated she wanted to die with him. She touched the knife to his chest and then stabbed him, creating a small puncture wound,” the charges state.

After the knife, she pulled out a gun, and a shot was fired (into the floor).

What’s that old saying about, “Hell hath no fury?” The truth is that crazy people are dangerous, and they come in all sizes and shapes.

“Unwanted entry” – The New Euphemism for Home Invasion

He suffered from a failure of the Victim-selection process. Murray homeowner shoots and kills intruder.

If you break into homes, you will eventually find an armed homeowner. Things will not go well for you after that.

Murray police are investigating after a man was who made an “unwanted entry” into a home was shot and killed by the homeowner on Sunday night.

Or maybe he was trying to be an “undocumented resident of the house” or something else that won’t affect the tender sensibilities of the chattering class. Though this is bureaucratic-speak straight from the bureaucrats at Murray, Utah police department.

Self-defense is a human-right. Good Guys 1, Bad Guys 0.

And for some thoughts on the destruction of the English language you can take a look at a classic bit from Foamy the Squirrel, “Small, Medium, Large.” On a similar note, consider that it wasn’t too long ago you could walk just about into any fast food place in America, order a “small fries” and be answered with, “I’m sorry, but medium is the smallest size we have.”

Relatives of Dead Miscreants Don’t Like Self-defense

They never do. ‘Why didn’t they just call the cops?’ asks mom of slain Logan man.

Ex-boyfriend. Current boyfriend. “Dispute.” Shooting.

Cruz said her son was sometimes misunderstood because he was outspoken.

“He has no filter but he had a big heart and he didn’t deserve this,” she said.

Which is a nice way of saying he could come across as a threat. But I’m guessing he did a little more than just be outspoken.

And why didn’t they call police? It didn’t sound like there was time to do much of anything.

I didn’t post on this when I first saw the stories, because there was damn little information. The guy who did the shooting, stuck around, talked to cops, and was released. The DA will decide if there are charges or “if it is a case of self-defense.”

Yet Another Failure of the Victim-selection Process

If you break into homes, you will eventually find an armed homeowner. Man dies after being shot in garage of an Orem homeowner.

Around 7 a.m., the homeowner heard someone inside a garage that is unattached from his house.

The homeowner went inside his house, grabbed a small caliber handgun and confronted the man in the garage, Martinez said.

A scuffle occurred in which the homeowner shot man in the garage multiple times in the abdomen.

Self-defense is a human-right.

You Have The Right To Defend Yourself

At least in Utah, it seems you do. Police: Starbucks customer who shot man assaulting employee had ‘fear of bodily injury’.

A homeless guy starts off by harassing a 7-Eleven clerk. That clerk hits the panic button provided. Police arrive, talk to the homeless guy and he runs across the street to Starbucks, where he begins by assaulting the clerk behind the counter.

Police say Overall [the homeless guy] then went toward a customer, a man in his late 60s, who is a concealed carry permit holder.

The customer took out his gun and shot Overall in the chest.

He goes back outside and meets the police again, where he is eventually restrained. (Taser didn’t work because of the clothes he was wearing.)

Cops are treating the shooting like justifiable self-defense. The concealed carry permit holder had a reasonable fear “of bodily injury to your own life or some else’s.” Self-defense is a human-right.

He Was Irrational. And Naked.

He wouldn’t obey the order to leave, from the guy with a gun. Iron County officials ID naked intruder shot by homeowner.

A naked man who kicked in the front door of a house in Cedar City on Tuesday was shot multiple times by a homeowner, officials said.

So how should an elderly couple respond to an irrational, naked man breaking into their house a little after noon?

Even though he was shot a few times, when cops showed up they still had to use a Taser to subdue him.

No charges were filed against the homeowner, even though as cops always say “the investigation continues.”

Another Incident That Highlights Danger Can Come From People You Know

The gun-hating Left loves to go on about how if you own a gun, it might shoot someone you know, but that might be exactly what you need it to do. Estranged brother shot and killed after going to home in Pleasant Grove

“He had in one hand a sledge hammer and in one hand a claw hammer,” [Captain Michael Roberts with the Pleasant Grove Police Department] said.

He pounded on the door at 6 PM, and someone opened it. He rushed inside. After a short altercation, a family member shot him. He died at a local hospital.

Other stories on this same topic: Domestic violence is by definition someone you know. A coworker (or ex-boss) can become a creepy stalker. Defending yourself is not ONLY about strangers.

Cops are investigating this latest incident, but are considering the fact that people have a right to defend themselves and their families. Self-defense is a human-right.

Another Relative of a Dead Criminal Doesn’t Like Self-defense

And you have to love the spin they give this story with the photo of the girl who got shot. Utah man who fatally shot woman in his garage won’t face criminal charges

I bet she doesn’t look like that in her last mug shot. (She did have an extensive criminal record.)

So the short version: She breaks into a garage in the middle of the night. The homeowner – the whole family – is home and they hear her. The husband/father goes to investigate, and the would-be burglar is shot. And found with a “knife near her body.” (I covered this event earlier; details at this link.) But back to the current story…

A West Jordan man who shot and killed a woman he discovered in his garage one morning in early June will not be charged in her death, Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said Wednesday.

Cue the shocked and outraged family in three, two…

Reached by phone Wednesday, Yeaman’s mother told The Tribune she wasn’t surprised by the decision making, but doesn’t believe the shooting was justified.

It is amazing how uniform the reactions of family members of dead criminals are. Or maybe not so amazing. Yeaman was a drug addict, had been in trouble with the law, and had been living on the streets. That kind of story is not a recipe for a happy ending.

Good Guys 1, Bad Guys 0

Self-defense rights apply to folks who live in apartments, same as homeowners. Alleged intruder shot in South Salt Lake apartment |

“There does appear to be some forced entry into that apartment. It’s still under investigation at this time as to exactly what happened,” said South Salt Lake Police Sgt. Matthew Oehler.

Investigators say it appeared the man made it into the apartment and there was some kind of confrontation before the shooting. They said the 35-year-old man was shot with a handgun in the upper part of his body. He also called 911 for help.

According to the police spokesman, Utah law is very clear on your right to defend yourself and your dwelling. The case remains under investigation.

The guy who got shot is in stable condition at a local hospital. He has not been charged but could be facing an aggravated burglary charge. (It doesn’t say so in this article, but other articles noted that there was a shoe-print on the door of the apartment, as if it had been kicked in.) The resident of the apartment is cooperating with police, though it is still an open investigation.

Self-defense is a human-right.

News Flash: Relatives of Dead Criminals Don’t Like Self-defense

This is a dog-bites-man kind of story. Hardly news. Mother of woman killed in West Jordan home invasion says daughter didn’t have to die | KUTV

Her mother thinks self-defense is unfair. Or something.

She was “probably” just looking for food or shelter. Well here’s a clue, if you are looking for food or shelter, don’t do that by breaking into law-abiding citizens’ homes at 0-dark-thirty in the morning. And if you do break in, and you do find an armed homeowner, don’t be surprised at the result.

“He found a female inside his home, there was some type of altercation, and he fired as least one shot,” said Officer Scott List with the West Jordan Police Department. “Obviously, a citizen of Utah has a right to defend his property.”

Self-defense is a human-right, which was why no charges were filed. Good Guys 1, Bad Guys 0. (Relating to a story from yesterday.)